Mar 17, 2022 • 1HR 24M

24. Religion and Development (w/ Nish Dubashia)

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Brendan Graham Dempsey
Brendan Graham Dempsey interviews leading thinkers in the metamodernism, integral, syntheist, GameB, and other communities about topics related to meaning-making and spirituality in today's world.
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Nish Dubashia joins Brendan to discuss the topic of evolutionary spirituality, using the Spiral Dynamics framework to consider how religious conceptions evolve through the different value memes. Beginning with a synopsis of the basic structure of the religious narrative, Nish then shows how this story takes different forms as it finds expression through the different developmental stages. The progression charted, some important ideas are then considered: What is the relationship of self and spirit along this evolution? Does the spiral of development lead to some kind of non-dual awareness? If so, how do we understand this? What role might evolutionary spirituality play in our broader culture?  

0:00 Introduction 0:54 The Structure of the Story of Religion  

The Story at Different Levels: 

8:11 The Story at PURPLE (Animist) 9:43 The Story at RED (Faustian) 12:04 The Story at BLUE (Post-Faustian) 15:10 The Story at ORANGE (Modern) 17:44 The Story at GREEN (Postmodern) 22:50 The Story at YELLOW (Metamodern) 26:21 The Story at TURQOISE (forthcoming?)  

28:47 Religion and Development: A Universal Experience 31:20 The Evolution of Religious Narrative AS a Religious Narrative? 35:10 The Coevolution of Self and Spirit 38:02 Spirit as a Subject? Reification, Projection, and Myth 44:00 The End of the Story: Non-Duality? 50:08 Emptiness/Form: On the Evolution of Consciousness towards Ultimate Consciousness 1:03:00 Development and the Study of Religion 1:06:08 Evolutionary Spirituality and the Meaning Crisis 1:14:15 'Dancing with Angels': Nish's Book on Developing beyond Unhealthy Blue 1:21:39 More on Nish's Work/Upcoming Events  

Nish's Presentation: The Evolution of Religion 

Nish's Website